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Thursday, May 5, 2011

comment about false miracles

[quote author=Whrose link=topic=10026.msg82874#msg82874 date=1304625457]
[quote] Doug:

There is another possibility.   That it is actually God who brings the mortally wounded Antichrist man back to life.    Here is why I say that.   In Isaiah 14, which is usually attributed as being satan, I think it could possibly be about the Antichrist man. [/quote]

I really have a hard time with God resurrecting ac man. In fact...I can not believe it! It is not the Righteous nature and character of my Lord to do something like this.

Incarnation and possession is a more likely explanation of this theory.


Because In my opinion some non biblical beliefs are influencing certain analysis in the discussion, and a tendency to conect unrelated topics in the prophecy, for example appolyon, which in a clear consideration has no relation to any further part(with different participants), unless you assume John is changing names or definitions in posterior parts. If so, anything can be considered to be so in most of the parts of the bible even the revelations.

Por example : In several parts is written that only God can make real miracles, Paul said that the anticrist would make "lying wonders", so all his work will be deceit.
Jesus said:
[quote]"Because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed."[/quote]
Much people will be deceived because they will believe what they see. Also I have see much Christian missquoting Jesus when he said :
[quote]and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, [b]if it were possible[/b], they shall deceive the very elect.[/quote]
The elect wont be deceived, but Jesus said the wonders will be terrible,
(recently sai baba died and there was multitudes of people worshiping him, and all the miracles he did was just materialise dust and collars! a simple magic trick.)
So the miracle will be faked for sure.
Quoting Thor from his new movie(in the movie thor is an heroic thunder god who rebelled to Odin(his father) and was vanished and fallen to earth ;P)
Thor said "what we called magic you call science"(they send a clear message about their beliefs in here)
So if in any case there was a genetic treatment using nanomachines or anything which could bring people to life in a zombified state, or cure from any illnesses;
it would not be a miracle, it would be just technology, but since such technology does not exist, if that happened, all the people will believe it was a miracle(except the elect ones)
And only spirits of devils can posses people, I could admit if you think an spirit of old could posses and give power to a man. I think is the devil himself who wil be in a body, maybe a cloned body or artificially modified, but unless you believe in ghost or people  turning into demons, there is no way a person who lived before comes to life like that, but it does not mean that by cloning or something alike or even for a possesing spirit, people would be lead to believe so...
The other concept that is sometimes ignored, is that the devil is not against the devil, and the devil doest not rule the underworld or hell, the bible does not teach a dualist world view, but it says that the demon are in opposition to God because of the rebellion of sin.
 As ruling powers, demons have places and areas where they can act. the places where God allows them to stay only!
just it was not clear when the demon asked Jesus to let them go into the pigs?

[quote]1And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: [b][size=14pt]and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit[/size].[/b] 2[b]And he opened the bottomless pit; [/b]and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit[/quote]

If you think, it would be not an absolutely relevant information to know this info:
[quote]And they had a king over them, [size=12pt]which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek[/size] tongue hath his name Apollyon. [/quote]
But for every word in the Bible there is a reason!, even for people to get wrong or Right about it.
I think this quote means :
[b]And they had a king over them, which is the angel (who is in control) of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. [/b]
[size=14pt][b]The angel who is 'in charge' of the bottomless pit, not 'from' the bottomless pit!!!!!!!!!!!![/b][/size]!

[quote]1[size=14pt][b]And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit [/b][/size]and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. [/quote]

how come a fallen angel is ordered to jail the devil ? it does not make any sense, !!!
even in the firs chapter it clearly says that Jesus has the key of death and hell, and in the previous phrase says "it was given the key..." so can you imagine Jesus giving the key to a fallen angel???!!!!!!!
some people (the masons for example) thinks that apolyon is the devil, but how come the devil hailed himself?
I think the catholical view of hell influenced the interpretation of apolion being the devil, because they believed the devil ruled hell, so the phrase "the angel of the bottom less pit" could not mean any other thing than the devil. I think the biblical names for the devil means, the tempter, the enemy, the evil one, and the prince of demons, prince od the powers of the air (or something like it).
 So well, someone would argue :
 they are demons, so the king is the devil or any other demon, but the context does not fit them to be normal demons in case they are, because it says, that they are released, they were kept in a place, and demons who posses people are not in hell, ar in air (the empty part of the spiritual realm)

also someone could say:
 well, the angel of the bottomless pit is a different one than the one which the key from the bottomless pit, well, there is no reason to think so, because it would be adding or dividing elements which has clear reason outside giving credit to that theory,but even if you believe he rules over the plagues,

the chapter 9 names an star falling from star and the key given to him, then an angel is named, then he opens the pit, then the plagues come outside, then an angel is named. it says him to be the angel of the bottomless pit, I[b] think the grammar reference is pointing clearly to the previous named angel, anyone knows that stars are referred to angels,[/b] someone could say there is no way to know if its a fallen or not,
but  in the other parts of the revelations, is clarified when a fallen on its a devil's angel, but in this case I admit there could be a confusion due the fact that is mentioned as "[b]falling from heaven to earth"[/b] but if instead the word fallen it said [b]"coming from heaven" (as it states on the other chapter)[/b] or [b]"flew from heaven" [/b]the meaning remains the same, but since it was talking about an star possible to produce the idea of a fast meteor falling in the reader's mind, other word could have not achieved that effect.
But anyone has right to have their opinions...

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